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Welcome to More In Common Podcast With Rodney Campbell and Keith Richardson. This podcast is our social experiment to examine our belief that we all have more in common than that which divides us. With each new guests we have open, honest, and insightful conversation about the things that matter to them.
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Thursday Mar 04, 2021
Leona Maple /// We All Live at Different Intersections /// Season5:E115
Thursday Mar 04, 2021
Thursday Mar 04, 2021
Imagine checking a box asking you to define your ethnicity and yet there is no box that accurately represents you.
Many people have experienced this issue when filling out forms of all kinds. It's the lack of versatility and accurate descriptions in those boxes that fail diverse individuals. Our guest Leona Maple discusses her personal life and the struggle of juggling all of her cultures and religions when moving to a place where it wasn't normal; like living a double life. She addresses the pressure to conform and mold into those around her. She stands today embracing her diverse background. Her conversation of safe spaces, career, and explanations on intersectionality make for a conversation filled with passion and knowledge. Her ability to relate and articulate hard topics of conversation reflect her natural ability as a writer and embodies the mindset we all strive for.
“We can only do so much, so do what you can.” - Leona Maple
Leona Maple (she/her) is a South Asian queer intersectional feminist and diversity consultant. She is all about making space for her fellow BIMPOC (Black, Indigenous, Mixed, and People of Color) folx and queer folx, through building communities and streamed shows aimed at growth in these marginalized communities, as well as through consulting work.
Leona’s first brush with intersectional feminism was in a Facebook group, where other women of color educated each other on important concepts to reduce each other’s emotional labour. Since then, she has eagerly researched and read countless articles on intersectionality, including works by bell hooks, Kimberlé Crenshaw, and WEB DuBois.
Leona’s passion for building safe spaces for BIMPOC and similarly marginalized communities stems from experiencing the healing effects of these spaces herself, in a BIMPOC only group that would meet in person in a private room. Having an opportunity to let your guard down as a woman of color is incredibly rare. Now, Leona actively seeks out people of color – and questions when this community is missing from a space. She is most proud of building a thriving BIMPOC community with Welcome To The Party, where Leona was a community discord moderator. She now runs Vibrant Legends with the Dicey Amazons.
In addition to her experience in inclusion and diversity, Leona also has a communications background. She graduated from Simon Fraser University with a BA in Communications in 2019. Her degree gave her opportunities to examine the crossroads of intersectionality, feminism, and communications. She has worked with magazines, marketing teams, nonprofits, and small businesses on a wide array of things – press releases, marketing, event management, social media marketing, consulting, writing, and publishing.
As a member of her local South Asian community, Leona is intimately familiar with South Asian diaspora’s cultural behaviors, Hinduism, Indian history and culture, and much more.
Topics we discuss:
- Emotional Labor
- Constantly explaining to others
- Cancel Culture
- Handling and managing Criticism
- From Family
- From others
- Juggling cultural identities
- Managing identity and what it means
- Intersectionality
- “Can't divorce your identities”.
- Resistance to the idea
- Her Business
- Giving compassion especially when it is hard
References:
Credits:
Lead editor + Producer: Ruf Holmes
Music:
Main Theme: "Eaze Does It" by Shye Eaze and DJ Rufbeats, a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.

Thursday Feb 25, 2021
Kwame Mason /// Diverse Representation in the game of Hockey /// Season5:E114
Thursday Feb 25, 2021
Thursday Feb 25, 2021
Cheering crowds, blinding lights, and electric energies that run through arenas create an insatiable love for the game amongst all sports fans. This type of love is what our guest, Kwame Mason, holds for the game of Hockey. Kwame found this love, not only through playing the sport, but in researching the unfamiliar history of talented black athletes in the game of hockey.
His curious nature to learn more inspired the creation of his own documentary film, Soul On Ice: Past, Present & Future. He reveals the unfair past and lack of diversity in the hockey community regarding black athletes. This documentary creates a hope that one-day hockey can become a sport popularized among minorities just as basketball, football and baseball have been. His goal in spreading this insatiable love for hockey, and paying homage to those black hockey players, generate an episode full of engaging and passionate conversations
"It’s a movement not a moment" - Kwame Mason
Kwame Damon Mason has been working in the Canadian entertainment industry since 1996. Kwame got his name out there thanks to popular radio stations like KISS 92.5 in Toronto where he hosted a 2 hour hip hop and R&B mix show Da Vibe and in 2001 Kwame became the weekend announcer on Toronto’s first urban radio station FLOW 93.5. He has used his experience and expertise to help launch countless radio stations across Canada.
Kwame recently completed his first feature documentary film Soul On Ice: Past, Present & Future, a documentary about the history and contribution of black athletes in hockey. The film won best picture at the 2015 Edmonton International Film Festival and recently had its American television debut on the NHL Network.
No stranger to hard work and perseverance, Kwame sacrificed everything he had to make his debut film, including selling his home and moving back from Alberta to Ontario. The time had come to invest in himself and pursue one of his biggest dreams.
Kwame hopes to continue to create culturally vital documentary projects, showcasing diversity, history and the untold stories of those who need to be heard.
Topics we discuss:
- How he got into hockey
- Introducing His Son to Hockey
- Barriers in hockey
- Lack of diversity amongst hockey players
- Hard to find multicultural group that skates
- His Documentary
- The Negro Hockey League in the 1800s
- What he wants it to accomplish
- Prejudice in hockey
- What he's doing in hockey
- aside from still promoting the hockey film he's shooting content for the NHL
- normalizing black voices and faces in hockey
- podcast talking hockey from that perspective
- continuing to spread the movement not a moment and help plant the seed.
References:
- Soul on Ice
- Black - White Wealth Gap
- Prejudice Definition
- Bigotry Definition
- Racism Definition
- Connor McDavid
- P.K. Subban
- Soul on Ice Podcast
- Give a Gift Pod
Credits:
Lead editor + Producer: Ruf Holmes
Music:
Main Theme: "Eaze Does It" by Shye Eaze and DJ Rufbeats, a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.
Guest theme: "Black Skates" by DJ Rufbeats created as a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.

Thursday Feb 18, 2021
Dawn Hicks /// Gentrification: A Necessary Evil /// Season5:E113
Thursday Feb 18, 2021
Thursday Feb 18, 2021
The effects of gentrification is profoundly harmful to the neighborhoods it consumes.
Most not personally impacted by gentrification view the process as positive and transformative. But for the longtime residents it is not a benign process. As money moves in, the original culture and demographics are forcefully changed. Our guest Dawn Hicks does a wonderful job revealing the ugly truths gentrification. She provides a voice for those communities whose once familiar home became wholly unrecognizable. This episode is one on gaining a more complete and intimate understanding of the effects of gentrification.
"Nothing about us, without us, is for us…" - Unattributed
Originally from Richmond, VA, Dawn holds a Bachelor of Science degree in Architectural Engineering from The North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University. She also holds a Masters in Architecture from the University of North Carolina-Charlotte where she focused on the social and economic impacts of Hip Hop on Architecture. Dawn has a passion for enhancing urban environments through influences of social, economic, and cultural forces that help shape built environments and develop inclusive communities in affordable ways. Her goal is to use her diverse love for music and design to enhance the future of architecture.
Dawn Hicks is an Enterprise Rose Fellow, currently working with Venice Community Housing in Venice, California as their Community Design Coordinator and Project Manager. With VCH, Dawn serves as a key member of the housing development team as VCH initiates new construction projects focused on increasing affordable and permanent supportive housing options in Venice, as well as reinvest in several older properties. She is also an integral part of their property management, resident services, YouthBuild and advocacy teams and engages a wide variety of other community members and stakeholders in an approach to community development and participatory design.
Topics we discuss:
- Gentrification
- Watch out for when a Starbucks is created
- How it affects the members of a community
- How neighborhoods are targeted
- Drivers behind gentrifying neighborhoods
- Communities and their history
- Cultural identities
- Getting into the field
- Her personal experiences with communities.
- Experience God
- God's impact on her life and her view of the world.
References:
- Definition of Gentrification
- Inglewood
- Broad Street in Richmond
- Crenshaw Line development
- Venice Community Housing
- Common - The Cornerr
- Cultural Appropriation
- B-Boy
- Enterprise Rose Fellowship
- North Carolina A&T School of Engineering
- History of Racial division with Interstates
- GiftPod (giveagiftpod.com)
Credits:
Lead editor + Producer: Ruf Holmes
Music:
Main Theme: "Eaze Does It" by Shye Eaze and DJ Rufbeats, a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.
Guest theme: "Windows Galore" by DJ Rufbeats created as a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.

Thursday Feb 11, 2021
Kristen Bell /// A Mosaic of our Own Experiences /// Season5:E112
Thursday Feb 11, 2021
Thursday Feb 11, 2021
The concept of understanding becomes complex when we don't quite relate to another's feelings. The wonderfully talented Kristen Bell discusses her life as an empath among other things. Her personal experiences and innate ability to empathize help drive this passionate conversation that explores her sense of self and those around her. Bell's humorous and engaging nature brings light to a variety of deep conversations.
"Everyone is a mosaic of their own experiences" - Kristen Bell
Kristen Bell has some serious acting chops. She has a strong marriage and is an amazing and proud Mom. She starred in the NBC series “The Good Place,” opposite Ted Danson, played the role of ‘Anna’ in "Frozen" and “Frozen2.” She has starred in "Bab Moms", "Bad Moms Christmas," and broke out in her role as THE "Veronica Mars". Her list of Acting credentials is long and impressive! Recently, she became the executive producer in a second season of "Encore" which you can find on Disney+. She appears in it as well!
Beyond film, she recently co-wrote the children's book, "We all need more purple people". She and her husband, Dax Shephard, started an amazing baby product line called "Hello Bello" to get affordable, high end, baby products so no mom has to decide between a budget and diapers. And, has partnered with Lord Jones to create a CBD line of oils and lotions called "Happy dance", with the goal of accessibility beyond boutique shops.
Topics we discuss:
- Codependency
- Doing the Right thing
- Her ability to walk in peoples shoes
- How being stubborn contributes
- Managing being an empath
- Looking at the day for what your grateful
- Us and them mentality
- Different personalities are important for the world.
- Her book, "The World Needs More Purple People"
- Companies and her Philosophy
- The "Death Bed" test
- premium care products for babies -Hello Bello
- CBD company- Happy Dance
- Love Languages
- How her and her husband differ
- Why its important to understand
- Closing with the permission to feel all things
- Talks about how it can help make us do better in the world.
References:
- CBD Line - Happy Dance
- Hello Bello - Baby Product Line
- Book - The World Needs More Purple People
- Chris Voss…Never Split the Difference
- This Saves Lives
- Alone - The Show
- 5 Love Languages
- Hit And Run - Movie
- When In Rome - Movie
Credits:
Lead editor + Producer: Ruf Holmes
Music:
Main Theme: "Eaze Does It" by Shye Eaze and DJ Rufbeats, a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.
Guest theme: "Wooden Equations" by DJ Rufbeats created as a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.

Thursday Feb 04, 2021
B. Dave Walters /// Acknowledging our humanity /// Season5:E111
Thursday Feb 04, 2021
Thursday Feb 04, 2021
It's a feeling only a select population in America will face in their lifetime that warrants a discussion amongst the overall population.
Our discussion is about the black experience in America and a self-reflection on the topic of race, racial relationships, both the advantages and disadvantages. B. Dave Walters provides excellent insight into those experiences, which deserves to be discussed with compassion now as much as ever. An episode worth listening to as it is full of great conversation and eye-opening perspectives. It acknowledges our humanity and shifts our hearts and perspectives to love and understanding.
"Hatred and tolerance require ignorance to flourish" - B. Dave Walters
- Dave Walters: is a Storyteller & proud Scoundrel American. He is best known as the writer and co-creator of Electropunk, Dungeons & Dragons: A Darkened Wish for IDW comics, and creator and DM of the Darkened Wish streaming show for Wizards of the Coast. He plays Baron Victor Temple on Vampire the Masquerade: LA by Night on World of Darkness Twitch and Freely on Silver & Steel on D&D Beyond Twitch.
And, we will add, he is a father, and someone who is everlastingly trying to make the world a better place for himself, his kids and all of us.
Topics we discuss:
- Black Lives Matter
- Rooted in history
- Preventing loss
- Systemic reform
- Killing of black people by cops
- Growing up in the 80s in Arkansas
- Guilt
- Dear America from a black man
References:
- Psychological Loss Aversion
- Minneapolis Cop found Guilty
- Horace Walters
- Dear America, from a Black Guy
- Follow B.Dave on YouTube
Credits:
Lead editor + Producer: Ruf Holmes
Music:
Main Theme: "Eaze Does It" by Shye Eaze and DJ Rufbeats, a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.
Guest theme: "Dice Games" by DJ Rufbeats created as a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.

Thursday Jan 21, 2021
Jason Ferrari /// Drop the Act, Let's Struggle Together /// Season5:E110
Thursday Jan 21, 2021
Thursday Jan 21, 2021
On occasions, the discussion of mental health arises. This conversation is especially pertinent during a world-wide global pandemic.
Our long term friend Jason Ferrari and a fellow podcaster of "The Not Your Parents' Basement Podcast," joined us for an in-depth discussion about struggles managing his mental health. Between finding the right therapist and faking normality, at times, life can be exhausting. The idea that no one quite understands because you can't even understand yourself is a universal feeling. Breaking the stigma regarding mental health and making the new normal, "it's okay not to be okay," will help the world heal together. In times like these, we have to check up on everyone, even those who appear fine.
"But seriously, how are you getting through your day?" - Jason Ferrari
Jason Ferrari has a combined 25 years of Sales and Marketing experience and currently works as a Social Media Strategist for significant technology and electronics brands. He comes from a radio background, with a majority of his experience in the Chicago market.
He first embraced online radio in 2010, where he co-hosted the 'First and Long with Brendan McCaffrey and Jason Ferrari' morning show. Since then, he has been the co-host of two very successful podcasts, the 'Abbatacola & Ferrari Discuss Everything Show' and the 'Sports Is Life Pod with Matt Abbatacola & Jason Ferrari.'
He recently launched his first solo podcast, the 'Not Your Parents' Basement Show with Jason Ferrari,' where he has a different guest each episode. They discuss the living, loving, laughing, and learning to promote more vibrant mental health.
Topics we discuss:
- His podcast, "It's Not Your Parents Basement Podcast."
- His focus on mental health
- Having a support structure
- The importance of therapy
- `Selecting a therapist
- Going through a divorce
- Impact on mental health
- His experience with mental health growing up
- How he looks at trauma
References:
- psychologist / therapist / psychiatrist:
A therapist and psychologist may differ in the degrees they received in college. A therapist can be a psychologist, psychiatrist, or counselor, but a psychologist is an exclusive psychologist but can also counsel and do other responsibilities. A therapist who is a psychiatrist can administer medications, but a psychologist cannot.
- Psychology today
- 5 Incredible Ways Repressed Memories Can Affect Your Life - Learning Mind (learning-mind.com)
Credits:
Lead editor + Producer: Ruf Holmes
Music:
Central Theme: "Eaze Does It" by Shye Eaze and DJ Rufbeats, a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.
Guest theme: "Cup Holders" by DJ Rufbeats created as a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.

Thursday Jan 14, 2021
Adrian L. Miller /// The Writing is In Front of You /// Season5:E109
Thursday Jan 14, 2021
Thursday Jan 14, 2021
We all too often think of growing old as a bad thing. Perhaps we confuse diminished abilities with diminished value. Our life is too often considered as being “over” when we get old.
Music executive Adrian Miller, challenges this perception stating that “we calibrate over as gray and old.” His image of the passage of time is much different. He directs us to craft a perception of life that honors and supports growing old at every stage of one's life. He notes that without elders' wisdom present in his early life, his success would not be what it is today. Miller’s drive to honor the lives of the elderly, offers us an opportunity to rethink and recognize those who impacted our lives in so many ways. He offers that we can and should give back, whether it's financial support or simply our time. Showing how much you care and value our aged mentors is one of life’s greatest treasures.
"The writing is in front of you and on the wall. Whether or not you look at it or evaluate the value of that is on you as an individual." - Adrian L. Miller
Adrian L. Miller is an American music entertainment executive, manager, and executive producer, a notable manager of both Oscar and Grammy award nominated and winning artist Anderson Paak, Mereba and NxWorries. Miller has diversified his portfolio as a label owner, publisher, songwriter, A&R/talent scout, executive producer, and artist manager. Recently he has teamed up with Michael Ross (co-founder of the label Delicious Vinyl), together with Leslie Cooney, they started the label reboot now called Delicious Vinyl Island.
Currently, his work is in music supervision/music consulting for film and television projects include RZA's, Cut Throat City (Patriot Pictures) and the series Wu-Tang: An American Saga (Hulu) and F. Gary Gray's Men in Black: International (Sony). He has received the Cannes Lion Award for his work on the 2018 Apple Music Home Pod commercial with Spike Jones.
Adrian created the marketing research company, Xyion, that can trend forecast change in our marketplace. Through previous relationships and having run several indie start-ups, Xyion provides top tier placement for the clients, offering over two decades of experience and endless creative opportunities.
Miller has received several RIAA certifications for gold and platinum sales success in music, and in 2019 the Grammy Award for best rap performance, "Bubblin" by Anderson .Paak.[1][2][3]
Topics we discuss:
- Deep conversation on how we treat our elders
- Ideas to show respect
- Current cultural climate on elders
- Treating others with dignity
- How to assess wisdom
- How to assess the value of self and others
- Childhood in Leimert Park
- The Museum of Black and it's influence
- Meeting your heroes
- His story about Anita Baker
- Knowing we all won't be here forever
- celebrating life
References:
- Xyion
- RIAA Certifications
- Wu Tang American Saga
- Steve Rifkind
- Anita Baker
- 'The Bowl' in LA
- Malcolm Casselle
Credits:
Lead editor + Producer: Ruf Holmes
Music:
Main Theme: "Eaze Does It" by Shye Eaze and DJ Rufbeats, a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.
Guest theme: "Soul Push" by DJ Rufbeats created as a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.

Thursday Jan 07, 2021
Josh Adam /// Shorten the distance between us /// Season5:E0108
Thursday Jan 07, 2021
Thursday Jan 07, 2021
Josh Adam offers a coaching/personal perspective behind his successes using the power of self-reflection, to answer the question; What does it mean to be human?
Leading a team is not an easy task, every coach has unique tactics and coaching techniques to maximize their teams successes. Josh Adam uses the power of self-reflection for his team's success stating that “success is a byproduct of us working on the best version of ourselves”.
Individual self-reflection transferred into a team setting creates individuals who are tied together by one goal and one sense of spirit, to be the best version of themselves as a whole. Which ultimately embodies what it means to be authentically human.
" Faith is a hope in evidence of things that are unseen" - Josh Adam
Josh is a Navy veteran, married with 4 children, including twins. He Graduated with a bachelor's degree in history and Christian education from Seattle Pacific in 2000, did his post-bachelor's research at Katholieke Universiteit-Leuven in Belgium and then received his master's in sports and exercise science from Minnesota.
He rowed for 4 years at Seattle Pacific and started coaching rowing in 2001. That lead to a career in coaching. He has coached at Seattle-Pacific, Indiana, Washington State, the US National Team and now at USC as the head coach.
" Faith is a hope in evidence of things that are unseen" - Josh Adam
Topics we discuss:
- Studying History of the Iberian Peninsula
- Learning how to listen verses speaking
- The essence of competition
- The true definition of love
- Sitting with a life coach to discuss it
- Learning how to balance EGO among family, work and life
- How to become authentically Human and
- figuring out your purpose
- Learning about leadership as a young coach to now divulging into potential recruits
- The definition of success
- how its perceived
- How to coach
- What does it mean to make it
- Perfect flow state, and how it doesn’t have to equal success
References:
- Martin Buber "I and Thou"
- Aristotle De Anima / On The Soul
- Self talk
- Radiohead "Where I End and You begin"
- Flow state
Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
Credits:
Lead editor + Producer: Ruf Holmes
Music:
Main Theme: "Eaze Does It" by Shye Eaze and DJ Rufbeats, a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.
Guest theme: "Keel" by DJ Rufbeats created as a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.

Thursday Dec 17, 2020
Wendy Kim /// Split Similarities /// Season4:E0107
Thursday Dec 17, 2020
Thursday Dec 17, 2020
Wendy Kim is a #1 International Best-Selling Author of the book, Beyond Blending In: An Immigrant Daughter's Guide to Overcoming Cultural Bonds For A Life of Authenticity and Abundance.
Wendy loves to read and is the mother of 2 amazing kids who she loves to surf with!
She is also a Professional Public Speaker and Empowerment Coach. Wendy is committed to empowering women of color to find their voice, stand up and step out to make a difference in the world. Wendy is also committed to diversity & inclusion in the workplace and in leadership.
What if you weren't meant to blend in? Wendy spent her whole life trying to blend in. Being bi-racial and living in a predominantly white community, she tried hard to be "white" and to blend in even though that wasn't possible. Later on, she moved to a primarily "Asian" community and didn't fit in there either. This pattern continued into college and the corporate world until she finally broke through to live her best life. It is Wendy's deepest desire that you will find the inspiration and tools to go beyond and live the most authentic and abundant version of yourself.
"You don't have to try and be more Asian, or try and be more White, or try and be more Black. You are who you are and you're really blessed you can have the best of both worlds." - Wendy Kim
Topics we discuss:
- What it meant to her to be "White"
- Mixed Race as Korean and German
- Rejecting Korean Heritage
- Origin of "Whiteness"
- Her Reckoning with her identity through her coaching
- The guilt and shame of this journey
- The behavioral expectations of women of color
- What the behavior looks like
- The psychological burden
- Privilege
- Coming to accept and embrace her Korean culture
- Using food to connect
- Cultural racism within racial groups
- Minority privilege
- Growing up in Pittsburgh
- Raised by Single Dad until 11
- Dad was German side of heritage
- Her parent's split and choosing how to raise her
- Where she is today on her identity
- Being a bridge
- Teaching her kids
- Consulting women of color to get pursue what they want
- Asking for a promotion
References:
- Wendy's Book - Beyond Blending In
- Recipe for Kimchi
- Mandu (Korean Dumplings)
- Author Min Jin Lee - Pachinko
- Nav the Poet - More In Common Episode
- Alhambra in Spain
- AKA
- Beyond Blending In - The Podcast
Credits:
Lead editor + Producer: Ruf Holmes
Music:
Main Theme: "Eaze Does It" by Shye Eaze and DJ Rufbeats, a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.
Guest theme: "Iberian Shuffle" by Megan Nadin

Thursday Dec 10, 2020
Julian Lewis /// Ledgeless /// Season4:E0106
Thursday Dec 10, 2020
Thursday Dec 10, 2020
Julian A Lewis II is a Marketing Practitioner, rocking a Salesperson’s Fedora. In constant pursuit of his Ikigai, a Japanese term meaning purpose, he maximizes his time seeking ways he can make an impact beyond himself. Currently retired from corporate, he’s focused on empowering others through audio as the CoFounder of StudioPod, a podcasting production and media company. Oh, and he’s an Adjunct Professor, elevating the next generation as he rises.
"I can say that I'm self-driven but I'm self-driven by the fact that I have a support system that is going to allow for me to do me…" - Julian Lewis
Topics we discuss:
- Leaving stability to pursue his passion
- Making the decision
- Building the financial muscle to make it happen
- Getting involved with Studio Pod
- Economic Privilege
- Getting help from others
- Relationship with Money
- How his parents modeled the relationship
- Generational influence
- The impact of not Drinking
- Family dynamic growing up
- Relationship with Sister
- Support and belief from his parents
- Dad's influence
- Cultural dynamics with Diverse representation
- His experience at Pinterest and what he brings
- Managing Mental Health
- Gift Pod
References:
- Ikigai
- Studio Pod
- Gift Pod
- Dave Ramsey - Total Money Makeover
- Podcast - Lessons from a Quitter
- (Drink) Mezcal Negroni
- 'The Playbook'
- Masters of Scale Podcast
Credits:
Lead editor + Producer: Ruf Holmes
Music:
Main Theme: "Eaze Does It" by Shye Eaze and DJ Rufbeats, a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.
Guest theme: "Step on Chest" by DJ Rufbeats created as a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.