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Welcome to More In Common Podcast With Rodney Campbell and Keith Richardson. This podcast is our social experiment to examine our belief that we all have more in common than that which divides us. With each new guests we have open, honest, and insightful conversation about the things that matter to them.
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Thursday Sep 10, 2020
Nav The Poet /// Lyrical Stability /// Season4:E095
Thursday Sep 10, 2020
Thursday Sep 10, 2020
Today we talk to Nav the Poet. Nav the Poet is a spoken word artist who has been writing and performing since 2011. What initially began as an outlet for personal struggles has turned into a profession, where he travels the country and shares his stories, experiences, and art with his audiences to spread his message: break barriers, build bridges, and encourage a deeper understanding of one another so that we may work together to create a better world.
"…I don't over value what I say, I just believe it for myself, and if other people vide with it, other people enjoy it, then awesome, I also don't expect people to automatically agree with it…" -
Nav the Poet
Topics we discuss:
- His poetry tying to Shared American Ideals
- Living up to them
- What it looks like to criticize America
- How he took the leap to pursue poetry
- What it's like to have to assimilate
- In broader culture
- And within Sikh culture
- While maintaining individualism
- Finding his individuality and being himself
- Connecting to his faith
- Becoming a poet
- Aligning to what he is meant to do
- Experiencing God and that influence over him.
- What success and accomplishment look like
- The struggle to not let follows and likes drive our behavior
- Staying true to his creative voice
- What it means to conform
- Male superiority and gender dynamics
References:
Credits:
Lead editor + Producer: Ruf Holmes
Music:
Main Theme: "Eaze Does It" by Shye Eaze and DJ Rufbeats, a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.
Guest theme: "Vebiage Veggies" by DJ Rufbeats created as a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.

Thursday Sep 03, 2020
Project Divided /// Conquered Allotment /// Season4:E094
Thursday Sep 03, 2020
Thursday Sep 03, 2020
Today we are with Casey Moore and Marley Duchovnay who created the amazing organization, Project Divided. Casey is from Delaware and Marley from Pennsylvania. Both grew up exposed to politics and each developed a passion for getting involved and doing something about the division our binary political system creates. Thus, after graduating from the University of Delaware, they decided to take part in the action to begin building bridges across the political divide. Hence the start of Project Divided.
They drove from the north east to begin their journey in the small town of Smithville, TX. Project Divided is an initiative working to understand political division and facilitate conversations between problem solvers in our communities. Project Divided is all about understanding how we can work together to problem solve from the local level up. They believe the best way to start this is to bring lots of different perspectives and backgrounds together to first start the conversation and foster communication and understanding.
This is our season of "American Shared Ideals" and we couldn't be more excited to have this conversation with Marley and Casey. What they built is exactly what we hope to represent with this season of conversations.
"What most Americans what are things that aren't too crazy." - Marley Duchovnay
"how do you balance having a conversation in order to understand that space versus having a conversation because you're an activist that wants to advocate for a specific issue?" Casey Moore
Topics we discuss:
- The observation of American shared values
- Understanding their values first
- Forming of morals and values
- The local levels unite, the national level divides
- What they observed in building Project Divided
- Productive conversations through agreement and disagreement
- What is a fact?
- How they manage this in the web series
- How we perceive truth
- Mixing them feelings
- Conversation vs. Debate and why have conversation
- How to disagree
- The friendship origin story and what led them to create Project Divided
- Marley's Grandmother was a holocaust survivor and the impact on Marley
- What it means to hold space for other people
- Personal Identity and what it means to them
- Politically
- Individually
- Compromising identity
References:
- Project Divided
- Moral Foundations Theory
- Definition of Fact
- The Things they Carried: Tim O'Brien
- Behave: Robert Sapolsky
- Political Tribe: Amy Chua
- The Big Sort: Bill Bishop
Credits:
Lead editor + Producer: Ruf Holmes
Music:
Main Theme: "Eaze Does It" by Shye Eaze and DJ Rufbeats, a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.
Guest theme: "Doozie Groove" by DJ Rufbeats created as a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.

Thursday Aug 27, 2020
Noelle Silver /// Artificial Bias /// Season4:E093
Thursday Aug 27, 2020
Thursday Aug 27, 2020
Noelle Silver is the founder of the AI Leadership Institute and Women in AI. She is the Head of Instruction for Data Science, Analytics and Full Stack development at HackerU, building education programs for universities. She is an ambassador for the responsible and ethical use of AI and she is passionate about Mindful Leadership, work-life harmony and empowering people achieve their potential through technology. She specializes in helping technical leaders successfully navigate cloud transformation and develop an AI and Voice Strategy by delivering keynotes, sessions and hackathons worldwide. She has spent decades as a trainer, architect, and evangelist for IBM, RedHat, EMC, Amazon and Microsoft. She has been listed as the"#1 Speaker to Have at Your AI Event by ReadWrite.com and a “Top Influencer in Voice” By Voicebot.ai as well as received an award from VentureBeat for her work mentoring women in the field of AI and Emerging Technology.
"The best revenge is success." - Noelle Silver
Topics we discuss:
- Managing ethics of Artificial Intelligence
- What is Artificial Intelligence and how easy it is for ethics to be violated
- Company responsibility
- Checks and Accountability
- Solutions that could work
- Malevolent AI
- How AI is dependent on people and the makeup of those people
- Different types of AI
- Ethics of Facial Recognition technology
- Noelle's origin story with AI
- The stories we are told
- Working harder as a minority
- Impact of lacking representation
- Impact of Race in corporate space
References:
- Hacker U
- Artificial Intelligence - Wiki
- Simon Sinek - Infinite Game - (Learn about ethical fading)
- Reboot representation
- Algorithmic fairness
- Manhattan Project
- Skynet
- Turing Test
- Black Mirror
- Y2K
Credits:
Lead editor + Producer: Ruf Holmes
Music:
Main Theme: "Eaze Does It" by Shye Eaze and DJ Rufbeats, a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.
Guest theme: "Keep Your Hands" by DJ Rufbeats created as a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.

Tuesday Aug 25, 2020
Oge Egbuonu /// Unyielding Anecdotes /// Season4:E092
Tuesday Aug 25, 2020
Tuesday Aug 25, 2020
A special episode release!
Oge Egbuonu (E-boo-noh) is a filmmaker focused on disruptive inspirational storytelling. By creating compelling content that entertains, educates, and inspires, she aims to support the healing of the individual and the collective. Prior to becoming an independent filmmaker, Oge worked at the independent production company Raindog Films, where she produced films like LOVING and EYE IN THE SKY. Oge sat on the board of the Diversity Committee for the BRIT Awards, where she collaborated to revamp the voting academy, and tackling diversity within the music and film industries.
She graduated with a Bachelor of Arts in Communication from the University of Houston.
Aa of Juneteenth, June 19, 2020, after nearly three years in the making, her directorial debut, (IN)VISIBLE PORTRAITS came to life. The documentary is a powerful celebration of Black women featuring interviews from scholars and authors sharing their stories of struggle, celebration, heartache and more. It shatters the too-often invisible otherizing of Black women in America and illuminates the history of how we got here, dismantles the false framework of the present-day reality, celebrates the extraordinary heritage of exceptional Black women, and ignites hope for the next generation.
Oge spent eight months doing intensive research, and two months conducting these compelling interviews.
"We continue to heal our heart and souls every day in every way." - Oge Egbuonu
Topics we discuss:
- The Film (In)Visible Portraits
- The reaction she has received
- How she is in this moment with it
- The emotional Impact of directing this film
- Going back to Therapy
- How the stories keep her going
- Managing the emotional impact
- What healing looks like for her
- Finding her Therapist
- Generational Trauma on culture
- Sitting with Shame
- Not knowing about the history
- Processing it to move forward
- Michael Myer Approaching her
- Understanding his Why for this film
- Aunt Jamima's Name change
- How her childhood lead to personal belief
- The journey to figuring out who she is
- Social Constructs
- Reimagining what's possible
- Individual power to make change
- Queer Theory
- Unveiling herself
- Watching police brutality videos
- The impact of the social virality
- Giving permission
- Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome
References:
- (IN)VISIBLE PORTRAITS
- Juneteenth
- Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome
- Abraham Maslow
- Mental Revolution
- Queer Theory
- Audrey Lorde
- Fannie Lou Hamer
- Judge Dredd
- Toyin Salau
Credits:
Lead editor + Producer: Ruf Holmes
Music:
Main Theme: "Eaze Does It" by Shye Eaze and DJ Rufbeats, a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.
Guest theme: "Grass Grains" by DJ Rufbeats created as a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.

Thursday Aug 20, 2020
Now Hear Me Out /// Invisible Fences /// Season4:E091
Thursday Aug 20, 2020
Thursday Aug 20, 2020
Today we are with the Father/Daughter duo, Harriet and Randy Berholtz of the "Now Hear Me Out" Podcast. A podcast where they come together to have political and social conversations representing two sides of the argument. Harriet graduated from the University of San Diego, is a sing/song writer, and has started and sold 2 different e-commerce stores that surpassed 7 figures in sales in under 18 Months. Oh, and she is a registered Democrat.
Randy is a Graduate of Yale Law, an Oxford Rhodes Scholar, a former Adjunct professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, for acting general counsel at Innovus Pharmaceuticals, Inc. Among many things, he is also the Secretary of the California Republican Party.
Together they aim to demonstrate the possibility of having very differing viewpoints still coming together with love and understanding in an effort to spur change and action.
"Without love and respect in the communication you aren't really communicating" - Randy Berholtz
Topics we discuss:
- What is the role of government?
- Federal and local distinction
- The American Ideal
- Leadership of the country
- How do we pay for it?
- Current state of government relations.
- Difference in Democrat and Republican ideas.
- Talking party allegiance
- The breakdown of party principles
- Difference between Conservative and Liberal
- The dynamics of their relationship and how they put love and respect above their disagreements
- Agreeing to disagree
- Facts and Truth vs. Experience and Beliefs
- Impact of the rapid growth in technology and population
References:
- Now Hear Me Out Podcast
- Democratic Party
- Republican Party
- Definition of Conservative
- Definition of Liberal
- ILGW Union
- Definition of Principle
- Definition of Belief
- Judge Dredd
- What is a Straw Man argument?
Credits:
Lead editor + Producer: Ruf Holmes
Music:
Main Theme: "Eaze Does It" by Shye Eaze and DJ Rufbeats, a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.
Guest theme: "Unfair Fruit" by DJ Rufbeats created as a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.

Thursday Aug 13, 2020
Dr. Curtis Takada Rooks /// Common Reflection /// Season4:E090
Thursday Aug 13, 2020
Thursday Aug 13, 2020
Today we are with Dr. Curtis Takada Rooks. Born in Japan but grew up in many places spending his early childhood in Kansas, N.C. and Texas. Then moving and spending his formative years in Okinawa before returning to Manhattan, Kansas where he graduated high school. After attending college in N.H., as an adult he has lived in Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Alaska and settled down in California. He is a husband of 21 years and has an amazing daughter who is studying at Yale. Dr. Rooks earned his B.A. in 1979 with a double major in Economics and Asian Studies (honors) from Dartmouth College. He received his M.A. in Public Policy from Trinity College in 1982 and his Ph.D. in Comparative Culture from the University of California, Irvine. Prior to his appointment at Loyola Marymount Univ., Dr. Rooks was a tenured assistant professor in Asian American Studies at San Jose State University and he previously served as Associate of Students and Dean of Residential Life at Pomona College. His research interests follow two overlapping trajectories. The first employs engaged community-based research focusing on the intersections of culture and community health and wellness.. The second focuses on mixed-race and transnational identity. These are reflected in two current projects one which examines civic engagement in Asian American communities and the second explores notions of transnational identity of people of Japanese ancestry worldwide – Global Nikkei Identity, along with continuing work with multiracial identity, particularly on the experiences of “double minority”.
"When you truly engage that makes someone else matter. It's a transformative act." - Dr. Curtiss Takada Rooks
Topics we discuss:
References:
Credits: Lead editor + Producer: Ruf Holmes
Music: Main Theme: "Eaze Does It" by Shye Eaze and DJ Rufbeats, a More In Common Podcast Exclusive. Guest theme: "Gold Cracks" by DJ Rufbeats created as a More In Common Podcast Exclusive. |

Thursday Aug 06, 2020
Season 3 Finale /// Season3:E088
Thursday Aug 06, 2020
Thursday Aug 06, 2020
Rodney and Keith wrap season 3 with a conversation on how they are holding up 136 days into lock down. At least the start of California lock down. Talking about how things were for them at the beginning and how it has evolved.
And, of course they get into the politics of it a bit.
They end the episode talking about what is to come with Season 4. We are all excited about Season 4, so be sure to listen through the end!
Credits:
Lead editor + Producer: Ruf Holmes
Music:
Main Theme: "Eaze Does It" by Shye Eaze and DJ Rufbeats, a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.

Thursday Jul 30, 2020
Season 3 Concludes /// Rapid Fire /// Season3:E087
Thursday Jul 30, 2020
Thursday Jul 30, 2020
What was your favorite listen from Season 3, "Process"? What stood out most from that episode?
This season we had another amazing lineup with amazing people. Today, we wrap Season 3, which was all about the Process. We are in 2020, a Decade Possible, and are so glad you were able to join us to hear the stories of the amazing guest this season.
We are taking a page out of season 1 and 2 by stringing together some highlights from each guest and some new content sprinkled in.
This year has been amazing and looks to keep going with an outstanding lineup for Season 4 where we will discuss Shared American Ideals!!
"Trust is built with consistency." - Lincoln Chaffee
References:
Credits:
Lead editor + Producer: Ruf Holmes
Music:
Main Theme: "Eaze Does It" by Shye Eaze and DJ Rufbeats, a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.

Thursday Jul 23, 2020
Dr. Deena Brown /// Proving Words /// Season3:E087
Thursday Jul 23, 2020
Thursday Jul 23, 2020
Dr. Brown's superpower helps #entrepreneurs, #start-ups, mid-large cap enterprises implement effective strategies that cover business process improvements, strategy and innovation insights, performance solutions for teams, and culture change interventions.
Dr. Brown is an internationally best-selling author and keynote speaker who has been featured on ABC, NBC, CBS, and Fox as a highly sought business and leadership growth expert.
As an Executive Director of The John Maxwell Team, she is certified to facilitate, speak, train and coach individuals and groups in the areas of leadership development, professional skills and personal growth. Her sweet spot is helping Corporate Executives, Entrepreneurs, and Business Owners Lead with Confidence, Communicate with Influence, Connect with Authenticity, and Collaborate Strategically. Her mission is to Inspire Entrepreneurs, C-Level Executives, and Organizational Leaders to seek significance versus simple success.
Her passion is to Empower leaders to lead with intentionality and integrity.
In 2017, Dr. Brown founded The Leadhershift Movement™ providing a safe-space for professional women to get clear about their Why, confident about the What, and consistent about the How.
"It's not what people call you, it's what you answer to. And no one, NO ONE, can define you but you" - Deena Brown
Topics we discuss:
- Being a Mom to a young black man
- Her Son being privileged but still black
- The fear and how she chooses focus
- What's different about George Floyd's murder
- Starting her day with Gratitude
- Using Gratitude to manage through the negative
- The three Ps (P3)
- Positivity
- Through praise and gratitudfe
- Pro and prebiotics
- Productivity
- Just Move
- Positivity
- What it is to speak up as a Black Woman
- Risking something to speak out
- What it looks like going forward
- Generational Change
- 3 Cs - Clarity, Confidence and consistency
- The long game
- One Mindset at a time
- History of Slavery in America
- Her background and her journey
- Being a product of bussing
References:
- John Maxwell Certification
- LeaderShift
- Gut Health and the Vagus nerve
- The Black Tax
- Dave Chappelle (Killing them Softly)
- Racial Literacy Round Table
- Chattel Slavery
- John Punch
- "Terrible Transformation" Documentary
- "Warriors don't cry"
Credits:
Lead editor + Producer: Ruf Holmes
Music:
Main Theme: "Eaze Does It" by Shye Eaze and DJ Rufbeats, a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.
Guest theme: "Hands to Touch" by DJ Rufbeats created as a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.

Thursday Jul 16, 2020
Teddy Shapiro /// Organized Sounds /// Season3:E086
Thursday Jul 16, 2020
Thursday Jul 16, 2020
Theodore Shapiro was born Washington, DC and is a composer who has delivered memorable music for some of the funniest movies of the past 10 years from the upbeat, jazzy sounds of THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA to the jungle-adventure send-up of TROPIC THUNDER and the sentiment of last MARLEY & ME.
He has scored a long list of amazing movies covering the spectrum from his work on the 2003 hit Old School, to the 2019 motion picture 'Bombshell'. He has created the music for other amazing films such as 'Destroyer' directed by our past guest Karyn Kusama, 'Last Christmas', and 'The Devil Wears Prada'.
And we can't skip mentioning his amazing work on the HBO T.V. show "Game Change" for which he was nominated for an Emmy!
His careful touch has made him a sought-after collaborator for some of Hollywood’s leading directors.
Shapiro is a classically trained composer with a bachelor’s degree from Brown and master’s from Juilliard who, despite commissions for classical works, decided he’d rather be working in film. “
"Ask yourself the question, are you being kind to yourself, and take up that struggle to do it as much as you can." - Teddy Shapiro
Topics we discuss:
- Asking young people "what are they listening to"
- Taking the leap to Movies
- Difficulty of making the decision
- Turning down a huge Opera opportunity
- Being better
- His view that his work isn't good enough
- Using the next project to get better
- Being a composer for Comedy Films
- His aspirations
- What Creation is to him
- His process
- The instillation of confidence and belief
- His dad
- The people he collaborates with
- Early childhood musical influence
- What support looked like for him
- Managing Family with Success
- Impact of having Children
References:
- Theodore-Shapiro.com
- Iconoclasm
- John Adams and Thomas Ades (composers)
- John Williams
- Daily Chronicle
Credits:
Lead editor + Producer: Ruf Holmes
Music:
Main Theme: "Eaze Does It" by Shye Eaze and DJ Rufbeats, a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.
Guest theme: "Light Keys" by DJ Rufbeats created as a More In Common Podcast Exclusive.